boehner said there's absolutely a nonstarter. they're in a stalemate and nowhere and i guess the question is, with 30 days left is this a negotiating ploy, an enough opening negotiating position from the president or indicate that they're really far apart and we could go over the cliff. >> we could have really just two weeks before they're done. the recess is december 14th, i'm curious though, you mentioned the substance of it. how bothered is john boehner with the style of it. instead of sitting down face-to-face negotiating, the president is out giving speeches, really campaigning? >> you know, i don't think so. i mean, first of all, both of these guys know when they sat together as they did in the august, 2011 talks it didn't go very well and they're negotiating with the president, negotiating with him through the secretary of the treasury so i don't think that they object to that. i think it's a-- they're serious guys and been through it before. it's a matter of substance not a matter of style. they're waiting to see what is